The Tufts Armenian Club hosted an action in the Campus Center for the annual worldwide "Stain of Denial" silent protest against the Armenian Genocide on Feb. 4, 2016. Sofie Hecht / The Tufts Daily

Tufts Armenian Club participates in national protest against denial of Armenian Genocide

Several protestors from the Tufts Armenian Club participated in a national “Stain of Denial” protest in the Mayer Campus Center yesterday afternoon to urge recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

During the two-hour long protest, students displayed posters with expressions such as “Stop Genocide Denial” and “Recognize the Genocide.” The protestors also distributed information sheets describing the genocide while playing Armenian music and speaking about the historical context of the genocide, which was carried out by the Ottoman government during and after World War I.

Ari Kazanjian, a leader in the Tufts Armenian Club, said that at least 50 people stopped to observe the demonstration, many of whom stopped to speak with protestors about the genocide.

Sophomore Nairi Krafian said that the protestors were also joined by many members of the Armenian community from the Greater Boston area. Fifteen Tavitian scholars who came from Armenia to study at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy were also present, along with University Special Event Coordinator Tamar Kanarian, she said.

While the protest was planned to be a silent protest in order to make a bold statement, only Armenian Club member Shant Mahrokhian kept tape covering his mouth for the duration of the event, so that the other protestors could engage in conversation with passersby, Krafian, one of the protest organizers, said.

“We decided not to have everyone [protest silently] because this for us isn’t as much about making a statement as it is about informing people,” Krafian, a sophomore, said.

According to Mahrokhian, the demonstration coincided with several similar protests on university campuses across the country. The national “Stain of Denial” protest was organized by the All-Armenian Student Association (ASA), which serves as the umbrella organization for Armenian student groups in universities across the country, according to the organization’s website. The Armenian Youth Federation (AYF), the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF), Shant Student Association, the Alpha Gamma Alpha sorority and the Alpha Epsilon Omega fraternity co-sponsored the national protest, according to All-ASA Chair Mikael Matossian.

Matossian explained that the national protest has three main areas of focus: educating students about the history of the genocide, raising awareness about consequences of the genocide and inspiring students to take action against genocide denial by taking action through student government.

According to Krafian, the Tufts Armenian Club primarily focused on the first two goals with its protest, emphasizing the importance of education on this topic.

“The big goal [was] for us to get people to know what happened, what [the genocide] was and to get people uncomfortable with the fact that our country is denying it,” Krafian said.

Mahrokhian also echoed this sentiment, explaining the importance of awareness about the genocide.

“Denial is kind of the final step of a genocide,” Mahrokhian, a sophomore, said. “This is the first step of bringing those that are responsible to justice because a lot of people aren’t aware.”

Matossian explained that this was the first time that the Armenian Club had participated in this protest event, as the fourth annual “Stain of Genocide” protest became a national event this year for the first time and expanded beyond its roots in universities on the West Coast.

Kazanjian, a junior, said all-ASA wanted to make a collective statement outside of the month of April, when the genocide is typically commemorated because April 24, 1915 is recognized by the Armenian government as Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day.

“One of the main purposes of this campaign is to stress that genocide denial happens year-round, and it’s not something that should be fought [against] for one day, but year-round,” Kazanjian said.

As part of the national protest, the individual Armenian student groups across the country used the same basic structure for their events, according to Matossian.

“This year, we are really trying to make a push for consistent messaging across the board, in contrast to each ASA doing their own thing…we really wanted to have a strong collective voice that’s visible on social media and online,” he said.

Matossian said that there was a conscious effort to maintain a large social media presence about the protest, in order to raise additional awareness about the atrocities of the genocide, which helps to hold the conflicts’ perpetrators accountable for their actions. In 2014, protesters were able to get #ArmenianGenocide trending on Twitter, he said.

Krafian said that, while the Armenian genocide did not occur in recent history, she feels that it is still crucial for the genocide’s perpetrators to be condemned.

“A lot of people will say ‘why do you still care’ because it was so long ago, but genocides have happened after this, and it’s setting a precedent for the people committing these crimes that it’s okay to do this and you won’t get in trouble and no one will hold you accountable for it,” she said.


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  1. Arafat
    Feb 05, 2016 - 10:59 AM

    There are so many lessons to learn from the Armenian Genocide but let me just focus on a couple of them.

    * It was carried out by Muslims to cleanse what is now Turkey of its last remaining Christians. Turkey is now demographically 99% Muslims
    * This was the 20th centuries first genocide and the last genocide of that century was committed by Muslims against the Animists of Sudan. Of course in Bangladesh in the early 1970s Muslims killed two million Hindus in their “war of independence”.
    * So called “moderate” Turkey has more jounralists imprisoned than any other country in the world. Any journalist who dares write honestly about the Armenian Genocide will likely end up imprisoned.

    Just a couple of lessons to learn from this horrible genocide.

    • Orhan Tan
      Feb 05, 2016 - 12:37 PM

      Vatican now says 1915 events should be studied using the archives. You should think over the Vatican’s approach. Let me tell you Arafat (A Muslim name!) some vital lessons learned from the 1915 events: Citizens have to obey their state authorities and legal documents. Citizens must not join the aggrasser’s armies( Armenians established 3 armies and joined Russian and French armies against their state,i.e . Ottoman Empire. Do you know what it means in legal terms?). Citizens must not kill their neighbors if the men of the family are out to fight against the enemies..You have to work hard to understand the realities. I have a lot of things to say, probably later. Thanks….

      • Arafat
        Feb 05, 2016 - 03:04 PM

        “Citizens have to obey their state authorities and legal documents.”
        Really? And what if the state authorities are Omar al-Bashar and his cronies? Would you still recommend the “citizens” obey?
        I notice you’ve avoided the issue of the Muslim genocide of the unarmed Animists in Sudan. What would you have recommended the Animists do to protect themselves from the bloodthirsty jihadists?

    • PointOfViewGun
      Feb 07, 2016 - 05:23 PM

      1) No, it’s demonstratably wrong to say that “it” was carried out by Muslims to cleanse Turkey of its last remaining Christians. At the time the genocide allegations refer to (1915-16) Armenians were not the last remaining Christians in what is now Turkey. Far from it. Greeks were a larger group of Christians living in Eastern Thrace and Western Anatolia of Turkey. Their number first fell when 1.5 million of Greeks in Turkey were exchanged with 500 thousand Muslims from Greece in 1923. Greeks of Istanbul, however, were exempt from this agreement, hence remained there in large numbers till slowly but surely their numbers decreased due to various reasons that include ethnic tensions and hostilities.

      2) Labeling this as the first genocide of the century, or trying to point out how Muslims elsewhere are committing horrible crimes, doesn’t add anything to this discussion. It’s only purpose is to sensationalize it.

      3) Being “moderate” doesn’t stop one from having fascist tendencies. You’re likely implying that writing honestly about this issue means that you accept the genocide allegations. This is blatantly false and is quite offensive. Those who openly write in favor of the allegations won’t really ever get imprisoned. You can find their books openly sold in Turkey, and their articles available to read online in Turkish websites. The Turkish government prefers to focus on those who oppose its legitimacy to prosecute against.

      These are facts.

      • Arafat
        Feb 08, 2016 - 09:30 AM

        “Turkey vs. Free Press

        by Uzay Bulut
        October 22, 2015 at 4:00 am

        Comment (2)

        “What I’m going through can face all journalists out there. They can use laws to put you in prison just for mentioning the word ‘PKK’ in your news story. They take this as ‘praising the terrorist organization.'” — Ocak Isik Yurtcu, former editor of Ozgur Gundem. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

        “We expose their war crimes; and they respond by blocking us.” — Ramazan Pekgoz, editor, Dicle News Agency.

        Of the 580 issues of Ozgur Gundem, criminal cases were opened in relation to 486 of them. Its editors-in-chief were sentenced to a total of 147 years in prison.

        One cannot help asking: Why does Turkey try to destroy free speech that much? What is it that all those Turkish governments have been trying to hide?

        “These bans take place because the state does not want the incidents in Kurdistan to be exposed.” — Eren Keskin, editor-in-chief and lawyer for Ozgur Gundem.

        In 103 years in Turkey, 112 journalists and writers have been murdered, mostly Armenians and Kurds. — The Platform of Solidarity with Arrested Journalists (TGDP)

        Ever since clashes between the Turkish army and the Kurdish PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ Party) intensified in late July, the pressure of the government against the Kurdish media, including bans on Kurdish news outlets as well as psychical violence against journalists, have become increasingly widespread.

        On October 4, for instance, Turkish police in the Kurdish province of Diyarbakir detained two Kurdish journalists: Murat Demir of Ozgur Gun TV (Free Day TV) and Serhat Yuce of Dicle News Agency. The police seized their cameras and equipment. A police officer put a gun to Yuce’s head and took both into custody. The journalists were released after five hours, but fined for “violating the curfew” imposed on the town.

        On October 6, Turkish police abducted Filiz Zeyrek, a female journalist working for the Kurdish JINHA (Women’s News Agency), in the southern province of Adana and drove her around for half an hour while interrogating and photographing her. The police then released her at a park.

        Earlier, on September 28, Turkish police armed with assault rifles raided the offices of the Dicle News Agency (DIHA), the newspaper Azadiya Welat (Freedom of the Country), Aram Publishing House and the Kurdi-Der (Kurdish Language Association) in Diyarbakir, and arrested 32 journalists. The police seized their ID cards and phones, and eventually took the journalists to police headquarters. One of the reporters, Dicle Muftuoglu, said the police broke down the door, did not show a search warrant and did not allow the journalists to call their lawyers. The journalists were released late at night.

        In the meantime, since late July, more than 100 pro-Kurdish websites have been totally blocked — including Dicle News Agency, Ozgur Gundem newspaper, Firat News Agency, Hawar News Agency and RojNews.

        • PointOfViewGun
          Feb 08, 2016 - 05:42 PM

          Again, this has no relevance to what we were talking about. At best, you’re validating what I said.

      • Arafat
        Feb 08, 2016 - 09:40 AM

        “Yesterday, April 24, marks the “Great Crime,” that is, the Armenian genocide that took place under Turkey’s Islamic Ottoman Empire, during and after WWI. Out of an approximate population of two million, some 1.5 million Armenians died. If early 20th century Turkey had the apparatuses and technology to execute in mass—such as 1940s Germany’s gas chambers—the entire Armenian population may well have been decimated. Most objective American historians who have studied the question unequivocally agree that it was a deliberate, calculated genocide:

        More than one million Armenians perished as the result of execution, starvation, disease, the harsh environment, and physical abuse. A people who lived in eastern Turkey for nearly 3,000 years [more than double the amount of time the invading Islamic Turks had occupied Anatolia, now known as “Turkey”] lost its homeland and was profoundly decimated in the first large-scale genocide of the twentieth century. At the beginning of 1915 there were some two million Armenians within Turkey; today there are fewer than 60,000…. Despite the vast amount of evidence that points to the historical reality of the Armenian Genocide, eyewitness accounts, official archives, photographic evidence, the reports of diplomats, and the testimony of survivors, denial of the Armenian Genocide by successive regimes in Turkey has gone on from 1915 to the present.

        Indeed, evidence has been overwhelming. U.S. Senate Resolution 359 from 1920 heard testimony that included evidence of “[m]utilation, violation, torture, and death [which] have left their haunting memories in a hundred beautiful Armenian valleys, and the traveler in that region is seldom free from the evidence of this most colossal crime of all the ages.” In her memoir, Ravished Armenia, Aurora Mardiganiandescribed being raped and thrown into a harem (which agrees with Islam’s rules of war). Unlike thousands of other Armenian girls who were discarded after being defiled, she managed to escape. In the city of Malatia, she saw 16 Christian girls crucified: “Each girl had been nailed alive upon her cross, spikes through her feet and hands, only their hair blown by the wind, covered their bodies.” Such scenes were portrayed in the 1919 documentary film Auction of Souls, some of which is based on Mardiganian’s memoirs.

        What do Americans know of the Armenian Genocide? To be sure, some American high school textbooks acknowledge it. However, one of the primary causes for it—perhaps the fundamental cause—is completely unacknowledged: religion. The genocide is always articulated through a singularly secular paradigm, one that deems valid only those factors that are intelligible from a modern, secular, Western point of view, such as identity politics, nationalism, and territorial disputes. As can be imagined, such an approach does little more than project Western perspectives onto vastly different civilizations of different eras, thus anachronizing history.

        War, of course, is another factor that clouds the true face of the Armenian genocide. Because these atrocities occurred during WWI, so the argument goes, they are ultimately a reflection of just that—war, in all its chaos and destruction, and nothing more. Yet Winston Churchill, who described the massacres as an “administrative holocaust,” correctly observed that “The opportunity [WWI] presented itself for clearing Turkish soil of a Christian race.” Even Adolf Hitler had pointed out that “Turkey is taking advantage of the war in order to thoroughly liquidate its internal foes, i.e., the indigenous Christians, without being thereby disturbed by foreign intervention.”

        It is the same today throughout the Muslim world, wherever there is war: after the U.S. toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, the nation’s Christian minority were first to be targeted for systematic persecution resulting in more than half of Iraq’s indigenous Christian population fleeing their homeland. Now that war has come to Syria—with the U.S. supporting the jihadis and terrorists—the Christians there are on the run for their lives…”

        • PointOfViewGun
          Feb 08, 2016 - 05:35 PM

          Sigh… I responded to your comment by addressing your individual points and you respond to me with what could be labeled as blind propaganda. In fact, you’re actually copy pasting from a personal website of Raymond Ibrahim. I’ll address some of these points anyway:

          1) The copy pasted article claims that out of approximately 2 million Armenians 1.5 million Armenians died. This is, of course, demonstrably false. For starters, according to state department of USA documents, there was 281 thousand Armenians in Turkey and about 817 thousand refugees from Turkey in 1922, which makes a total of 1.088 million Armenians alive at this point. That’s hardly the half a million survivors number you were claiming. Boghos Nubar Pasha, an Armenian general of the time, points out that about 980 thousand Armenians from Turkey survived the war. In fact, pretty much most Western sources of the time put the number of Armenian population of the Ottoman empire at around 1.5 million. The highest figures are from the Armenians themselves naturally. However, even some of their figures sometimes go below the 1.5 million number.

          2) The copy pasted article claims that most objective American historians who have studied the question unequivocally agree that it was a deliberate, calculated genocide. This is, again, demonstrably false. There are a number of respected experts on Ottoman history. If we were talking about any other subject on Ottoman history it would be weird if those scholars were not cited. Yet, when it comes to the Armenian question they’re suddenly labeled as denialists… For example, Edward J. Erickson, a retired U.S. army officer from the Marine Corps University, perhaps the only expert on Ottoman military history, concludes that the decision to relocate the Armenians was made as a result of a military necessity and not as an excuse for genocide.

          3) The copy pasted article claims that the evidence have been overwhelming. This is far from the truth. In fact, there is no evidence of a genocidal effort to get rid of Armenians. There wasn’t even evidence back when Istanbul, Constantinople back then, was under Allied occupation, the British to be precise. Many of Ottoman army officers were detained in Malta. The Ottoman archives was given to an Armenian individual to search for evidence of crimes against Armenians. The U.S.A. and U.K. archives were searched as well. In the end, they yielded nothing.

          4) In fact, continuing from point (3), the only evidence Armenians could come up with have been forgeries. For example, the Naim Pasha telegrams that have been used as the smoking gun in the court-martial of 1919 was found to be a forgery, a bad one at that. Similarly, witness accounts don’t really portray a reliable picture. For example, Turks also have witness accounts of how Armenians had dozens of Turks staked at the entrance of cities. In fact, even I have a relative whose great grandfather left his village was burned down a by a group of Armenians, and his family with it.

          Here lies an important point though. There are quite a few Western sources that speak against many of those witness accounts, and not just regular people, but admirals and officers of U.S.A. that surveyed the region writing back how many of the accounts are just blatantly false, or reporters that are writing from that time talking about how Armenian efforts to create false news pieces. Justin McCarthy, an historian with expertise on Ottoman Empire, cleverly noticed that many of the news pieces that appeared on Western media sources at the time were reporting of incidents that is claimed to have happened only a few days prior to the reporting. This was an impossibility at the time as most of the region didn’t have access to wired communication. To travel news out of such remote villages would require a week worth of donkey ride, as the terrain was not suited for horses or fast horse riding…

          5) Then we arrive at important names making statements about the what happened to Armenians. Winston Churchill observing? He never came close to the region. If he ever said that he likely relied on the Blue Book which was commissioned by the British government of the time as a propaganda tool to make Americans support their cause. Today, even some Armenian scholars try to distance their work from that… Adolf Hitler pointing out that Turkey is taking advantage of the war? The war that happened decades before his reign. The quoted part in the cop-pasted article is actually not attributed to Adolf Hitler, but to Talat Pasha in a conversation he had with Dr. Mordtmann, which is odd as people don’t say “i.e.” in a conversation… Apparently though, it helps sensationalize the issue if it came from Adolf Hitler. By copy pasting that article, you practically used a forgery yourself to assert that your position on this issue is nothing but the truth. Well done.

          • Arafat
            Feb 08, 2016 - 05:43 PM

            Hamidian massacres, 1894–96

            Main article: Hamidian massacres

            Corpses of massacred Armenians in Erzurum in 1895

            Since 1876, the Ottoman state had been led by Sultan Abdul Hamid II. Immediately after the Treaty of Berlin was signed, Abdul Hamid attempted to forestall implementation of its reform provisions by asserting that Armenians did not make up a majority in the provinces and that their reports of abuses were largely exaggerated or false. In 1890, Abdul Hamid created a paramilitary outfit known as the Hamidiye which was mostly made up of Kurdish irregulars who were tasked to “deal with the Armenians as they wished”.[34]:40 As Ottoman officials intentionally provoked rebellions (often as a result of over-taxation) in Armenian populated towns, such as in Sasun in 1894 and Zeitun in 1895–96, these regiments were increasingly used to deal with the Armenians by way of oppression and massacre. In some instances Armenians successfully fought off the regiments and in 1895 brought the excesses to the attention of the Great Powers, who subsequently condemned thePorte.[36]:40–2

            In October 1895, the Powers forced Abdul Hamid to sign a new reform package designed to curtail the powers of the Hamidiye but, like the Berlin Treaty, it was never implemented. On 1 October 1895, 2,000 Armenians assembled in Constantinople to petition for the implementation of the reforms, but Ottoman police units converged on the rally and violently broke it up.[34]:57–8 Soon, massacres of Armenians broke out in Constantinople and then engulfed the rest of the Armenian-populated provinces of Bitlis, Diyarbekir, Erzurum, Harput, Sivas, Trabzon, and Van. Estimates differ on how many Armenians were killed but European documentation of the pogroms, which became known as the Hamidian massacres, placed the figures at between 100,000 and 300,000.[41][42]

          • Arafat
            Feb 08, 2016 - 05:44 PM

            The Adana massacre of 1909

            Main article: Adana massacre

            The Armenian quarter of Adana left pillaged and destroyed after the massacres in Adana in 1909.

            A countercoup took place in early 1909, ultimately resulting in the 31 March Incident on 13 April 1909. Some reactionary Ottoman military elements, joined by Islamictheological students, aimed to return control of the country to the Sultan and the rule of Islamic law. Riots and fighting broke out between the reactionary forces and CUP forces, until the CUP was able to put down the uprising and court-martial the opposition leaders.

            While the movement initially targeted the Young Turk government, it spilled over into pogroms against Armenians who were perceived as having supported the restoration of the constitution.[36]:68–9 When Ottoman Army troops were called in, many accounts record that instead of trying to quell the violence they actually took part in pillaging Armenian enclaves in Adana province.[44] The number of Armenians killed in the course of the Adana massacre ranged between 15,000 and 30,000 people.[36]:69[45]

          • Arafat
            Feb 08, 2016 - 05:47 PM

            “On 29 May 1915, the CUP Central Committee passed the Temporary Law of Deportation (“Tehcir Law”), giving the Ottoman government and military authorization to deport anyone it “sensed” as a threat to national security.[34]:186–8

            An article by the New York Timesdated 15 December 1915 states that one million Armenians had been either deported or executed by the Ottoman government.

            With the implementation of Tehcir Law, the confiscation of Armenian property and the slaughter of Armenians that ensued upon its enactment outraged much of the western world. While the Ottoman Empire’s wartime allies offered little protest, a wealth of German and Austrian historical documents has since come to attest to the witnesses’ horror at the killings and mass starvation of Armenians.[57]:329–31[58]:212–3 In the United States, The New York Times reported almost daily on the mass murder of the Armenian people, describing the process as “systematic”, “authorized” and “organized by the government”. Theodore Rooseveltwould later characterize this as “the greatest crime of the war”.[59]

            Historian Hans-Lukas Kieser states that, from the statements of Talaat Pasha[60] it is clear that the officials were aware that the deportation order was genocidal.[61] Another historian Taner Akçam states that the telegrams show that the overall coordination of the genocide was taken over by Talaat Pasha.[62]”

            Death marches

          • Arafat
            Feb 08, 2016 - 05:57 PM

            Death marches

            The Armenians were marched out to the Syrian town of Deir ez-Zor and the surrounding desert. There is no evidence that theOttoman government provided the extensive facilities and supplies that would have been necessary to sustain the life of hundreds of thousands of Armenian deportees during their forced march to the Syrian desert or after.[63] By August 1915, The New York Times repeated an unattributed report that “the roads and the Euphrates are strewn with corpses of exiles, and those who survive are doomed to certain death. It is a plan to exterminate the whole Armenian people”.[64] Talaat Pasha and Djemal Pasha were completely aware that by abandoning the Armenian deportees in the desert they were condemning them to certain death.[65] A dispatch from a “high diplomatic source in Turkey, not American, reporting the testimony of trustworthy witnesses” about the plight of Armenian deportees in northern Arabia and the Lower Euphrates valley was extensively quoted by The New York Times in August 1916:

            The witnesses have seen thousands of deported Armenians under tents in the open, in caravans on the march, descending the river in boats and in all phases of their miserable life. Only in a few places does the Government issue any rations, and those are quite insufficient. The people, therefore, themselves are forced to satisfy their hunger with food begged in that scanty land or found in the parched fields.

            Naturally, the death rate from starvation and sickness is very high and is increased by the brutal treatment of the authorities, whose bearing toward the exiles as they are being driven back and forth over the desert is not unlike that of slave drivers. With few exceptions no shelter of any kind is provided and the people coming from a cold climate are left under the scorching desert sun without food and water. Temporary relief can only be obtained by the few able to pay officials.[63]

            Similarly, Major General Friedrich Freiherr Kress von Kressenstein noted that “The Turkish policy of causing starvation is an all too obvious proof, if proof was still needed as to who is responsible for the massacre, for the Turkish resolve to destroy the Armenians”.[37]:350

            German engineers and labourers involved in building the railway also witnessed Armenians being crammed into cattle cars and shipped along the railroad line. Franz Gunther, a representative for Deutsche Bank which was funding the construction of the Baghdad Railway, forwarded photographs to his directors and expressed his frustration at having to remain silent amid such “bestial cruelty”.[34]:326 Major General Otto von Lossow, acting military attaché and head of the German Military Plenipotentiary in the Ottoman Empire, spoke to Ottoman intentions in a conference held in Batum in 1918:

            The Turks have embarked upon the “total extermination of the Armenians in Transcaucasia … The aim of Turkish policy is, as I have reiterated, the taking of possession of Armenian districts and the extermination of the Armenians. Talaat’s government wants to destroy all Armenians, not just in Turkey but also outside Turkey. On the basis of all the reports and news coming to me here inTiflis there hardly can be any doubt that the Turks systematically are aiming at the extermination of the few hundred thousand Armenians whom they left alive until now.[37]:349

            Rape was an integral part of the genocide;[66] military commanders told their men to “do to [the women] whatever you wish”, resulting in widespread sexual abuse. Deportees were displayed naked inDamascus and sold as sex slaves in some areas, including Mosul according to the report of the German consul there, constituting an important source of income for accompanying soldiers.[67] Rössler, the German consul in Aleppo during the genocide, heard from an “objective” Armenian that around a quarter of young women, whose appearance was “more or less pleasing”, were regularly raped by the gendarmes, and that “even more beautiful ones” were violated by 10–15 men. This resulted in girls and women being left behind dying.[68]

          • Arafat
            Feb 08, 2016 - 05:58 PM

            Concentration camps

            A network of 25 concentration camps was set up by the Ottoman government to dispose of the Armenians who had survived the deportations to their ultimate point.[70]This network, situated in the region of Turkey’s present-day borders with Iraq and Syria, was directed by Şükrü Kaya, one of Talaat Pasha’s right-hand men. Some of the camps were only temporary transit points. Others, such as Radjo, Katma, and Azaz, were briefly used for mass graves and then vacated by autumn 1915. Camps such as Lale, Tefridje, Dipsi, Del-El, and Ra’s al-‘Ayn were built specifically for those whose life expectancy was just a few days.[71] According to Hilmar Kaiser, the Ottoman authorities refused to provide food and water to the victims, increasing the mortality rate, and Muslim men obtained Armenian women through recorded marriages, while the deaths of their husbands were not recorded.[72]

            Bernau, an American citizen of German descent, traveled to the areas where Armenians were incarcerated and wrote a report that was deemed factual by Rössler, the German Consul at Aleppo. He reports mass graves containing over 60,000 people in Meskene and large numbers of mounds of corpses, as the Armenians died due to hunger and disease. He reported seeing 450 orphans, who received at most 150 grams of bread per day, in a tent of 5–6 square meters. Dysentery swept through the camp and days passed between the instances of distribution of bread to some. In “Abu Herrera”, near Meskene, he described how the guards let 240 Armenians starve, and wrote that they searched “horse droppings” for grains.[73]

          • PointOfViewGun
            Feb 09, 2016 - 02:50 AM

            Oh boy… Now, you’re just copy pasting from Wikipedia… I see no efforts to acknowledge what you were wrong about earlier either even though I touched upon a few important points. So, it seems that it was a futile effort to discuss this issue with you. You seem to have no real knowledge on the issue. You’re merely copy pasting whatever you find online that confirms to your preconceived opinion. Facts play no role in you copy pasted material. Hence, I find no reason to continue this.

          • Arafat
            Feb 09, 2016 - 08:08 AM

            Let me paraphrase my understanding of your comment.
            I (PointOfViewGun) cannot refute Wiki or the other articles you (Arafat) have copied and pasted, so I will attack you (Arafat) instead.
            Furthermore, the articles you (Arafat) referenced destroy my attempts to muddy the waters and to obfuscate about the Armenian Genocide. That is the articles you’ve referenced prove that Muslims committed a genocide against Armenian Christians and I cannot refute these facts without painting myself deeper into a corner.

          • PointOfViewGun
            Feb 09, 2016 - 12:13 PM

            Not really. I easily but I don’t really see the point in doing that when you’re unable to acknowledge or address anything I say. You’re merely posting random article on the issue with no real connection to what I was saying. A discussion usually follows a particular path. I address your points, you address mine. You’re not doing that. Tell me then. If you’re not gonna address any of my points, what’s the point of me discussing anything with you here? For me to address each one of them would be like talking to a wall.

  2. Alexan
    Feb 05, 2016 - 01:09 PM

    Orhan Tan your anti Armenian propaganda is unwelcome here stop being a troll. Lets face it you stole our lands and finally people are condemning the crimes you and your government are still committing. Its good that Arafat is learning from this terrible crime. You keep hiding behind your ISIS supporting president Erdogan. The Armenian Genocide happened. It was committed by the Ottoman Turkish Government and the main perpetrators were Talat, Djemal, and Enver Pasha. Enough with your denial realize your crimes and give us Recognition, Reparation, and Retribution. Getseh Hayastan

  3. PointOfViewGun
    Feb 05, 2016 - 05:57 PM

    I’m wondering what’s worse… Denying genocide or altering facts to make up such an accusation… Such protests don’t really add much to the discussion. They merely show arrogance in the face of a complicated and sensitive subject.

    • Nataniel12
      Feb 05, 2016 - 08:56 PM

      What’s worse? Denying genocide AND altering facts. That is what Turkish governments has done in the past and continue to do today. Turkish nationalist point of view simply follows the sinister and cowardly mindset of successive governments in Ankara. One would think Turks today instead of parroting their government would rather follow the righteous, and brave, Turkish progressive thinkers who without any shred of doubt recognizethe Armenian genocide, a horrendous crime committed by the Turkish ultranationalist Ittihad ve Terakki party of the Ottoman Empire in 1915.

      • PointOfViewGun
        Feb 06, 2016 - 12:42 PM

        Altering facts to create a falde accusation is better? Why? It’s much more damaging to do that. You’re practically inciting hatred by doing that. I’m using “you” in general sense of course… Care to summarize the Turkish position though? It’s likely that what you think thr Turkish position is differs greatly from what the actual position is. Rejecting the genocide allegations are far from parroting what Turkish government says anyway. I would recommend reading more than a few one-sided articles online before forming such an extreme opinion on an issue that is important and sensitive.

        • Arafat
          Feb 08, 2016 - 09:36 AM

          Number of Imprisoned Journalists Increases in Turkey

          And more from the Turkish Press

          by AK Group
          January 31, 2012 at 3:00 am


          The number of imprisoned journalists in Turkey rose to 105, according to a written statement issued Sunday by the Platform of Solidarity with Imprisoned Journalists.

          Most recently, Aziz Tekin, the Kurdish-language newspaper Azadiya Welat’s eastern province of Mardin representative, was arrested in Kızıltepe, Mardin in an operation against the Kurdish Communities Union, or KCK, an alleged urban wing of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, on Saturday.

          “Turkey has the highest number of arrested journalists in the world. With this last detention,Turkey strengthened its position on the top of the list. The Justice and Development Party, or AKP, is abusing the anti-terror law,” the platform said in the written statement.

          The group also reminded of Turkey’s step backward in press freedom rankings; Turkey reversed 10 places to rank 148th out of 178 countries in the Reporters without Borders’, or RSF, World Press Freedom Index for 2011.

          Meanwhile, the release of 13 journalists, including Ahmet Şık and Nedim Şener, was denied by a court in Istanbul, despite both pleading against charges leveled in the OdaTV case on Friday. The case was postponed until March 12.

          Şık and Nedim flatly denied the charges leveled against them during the 10th hearing of the Oda TV probe, which began after law enforcement officials conducted a search of the offices of the online news portal last February, as part of the ongoing Ergenekon investigation.

          Ergenekon is an alleged ultranationalist, shadowy gang accused of planning to topple the government by staging a coup initially by spreading chaos and mayhem. It is also thought to be an extension of, or a different name, for the “deep state,” which is an alleged unofficial organization of bureaucracy and military operating behind the scenes of the official state structure.

          French Law Trying to ‘Nazify’ Turks, Davutoglu Says

          A French bill criminalizing denial of the Armenian genocide is designed to “Nazify” Turkey and push it out of Europe, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said, while slamming theEuropean Union for failing to denounce the motion.

          “The basic aim here is to Nazify the Turks, in a sense to confine it to somewhere other than European culture. We’ll not let this happen,” Davutoğlu told private broadcaster CNNTürk late Friday…

          • PointOfViewGun
            Feb 08, 2016 - 05:39 PM

            The only part in your copy-paste that is relevant to what we were discussing above was that France was trying to the very same thing you were accusing Turkey of doing… I asked you to summarize the Turkish position on the question of Armenian allegations.

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